Final Jeopardy: Unwanted Firsts

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12 Responses

  1. Hal says:

    It seems to me the Jeopardy show is completely in error, for even your Brittanica.com reference does not tie Jean Vallière to the Huguenots, only French Protestants. A recent book The Huguenots by Geoffrey Treasure (2013, pg 67): “In 1523 the Augustinian monk Jean Vallière was burned in Paris for *having read and commented on Luther’s works.*” And I see the Wikipedia article seems to follow this line. So a better answer would have actually been “Lutherans” instead of “Huguenots”.

    • VJ says:

      I don’t disagree that it was not a good clue or that classifying Vallière as a Huguenot is a leap, and I was trying to show that in the info segment.

      As I pointed out, some people label ALL French Protestants Huguenots. The Brittanica article starts right out defining Huguenots that way: “any of the Protestants in France in the 16th and 17th centuries…” So in that sense, Jeopardy isn’t completely wrong but that doesn’t make it a good clue. So much for Jeopardy’s head writer’s claim that they research the clues carefully.

      I gave the info on two monks considered to be the first two Lutheran martyrs who were put to death a month before Vallière. Thus, Lutheran could not be the answer without rephrasing — maybe like this: Jean Valliere, burned in 1523, is considered the first French martyr of this religious group.

  2. john blahuta says:

    well, vj as the only one getting it right. protestants, lutherans, augustines, all wrong, and vj is right, the country should have been the major clue.

    luther was german and protestantism started in germany, then dividing into the a.b. (Augsburger Bekenntnis) and h.b. (Helvetisches Bekenntnis > “confession”, but not in the usual sense like you confess in church when you are catholic but more as in “conviction”) i had the name of calvin on my mind but drew the wrong conclusion. i connected him with the swiss/helvetic confession instead the huguenots.

    well, vj, did you ever think of applying to the fbi or so?? you were the only one to recognize that the protestants were too big a group and france was – in retrospect for the others- the most decisive factor. my respects and i guess all the others of us can collect ashes on our heads….:):)

    i can’t remember the last time when the guesses where all around, left and right and all wrong. what an analytic mind, vj!!

    well on that note, as always: HAVE A SAFE AND GREAT WEEKEND EVERYBODY !!

  3. jacob ska says:

    VJ, superb research as always on the fj clue. Based upon the recap no one would know you did not see the game. Your professionalism always shines.

    Not surprised Alex won. He appeared to be the better player. Will see if he can repeat Monday.

  4. Eric S says:

    Fantastic clarification of the F.J. correct response: concise and well-documented as well.

  5. Leena says:

    VJ. Do you think we’ll begin a carousel again? Tell me below.

    • VJ says:

      You mean one-day champs right? I hope not. What we need is a couple of 8 day champs, don’t you agree?

      • Leena says:

        I do mean one day champs. I also hope that someone will be at least a six time champ. Eight would work as well. 75 is a definite no-no.

  6. VJ says:

    well, as it turns out, the show was preempted in Houston today. I got some help over the phone but I still had a few things missing. This is what I’ve got now and I will fix anything wrong or missing when I get to see the match.

    • Cece says:

      This was a pretty flat match, so you didn’t miss much by not seeing it yet. :)

      I answered “protestants” on the FJ — even though I knew they wanted “Huguenots”, I drew a blank on the word. As per your info segment, I wondered if protestants would’ve been accepted by the judges.

      • Eric S says:

        I believe not since two Lutheran martyrs preceded him.

        • Cece says:

          Yeah, you’re right! Lutheranism is a branch of P.Christianity. Not that I remember who was martyred when (I try to not let religious stuff occupy space in my brain). :):)